Coronavirus

[BennyV]

Perhaps "they", whoever they are, need to come up with some sort of proof of vaccination that can not be so easily forged, whether its a check of some database (let's face it, should be easily compiled given all the information provided when one lines up for the jab) or a type of passport (?) Hey, deniers and haters gonna hate, but if you want to travel, attend certain events, go to certain colleges, attend school graduation ceremonies, get the shot or simply don't go. Too many people worldwide have died the last 16 months to ignore that it can be a serious illness for some.

Ever hear of Clear that they have in the airports? Something that could work.

Otherwise a special tracksuit that says vaccinated on that back would be cool.

 

[Rick67]

Where’s the rage lab rats?

 

[pequa1]

View attachment 33331Where’s the rage lab rats?

America first. Discounting hiv, how many here?

 

[Roccus7]

View attachment 33331Where’s the rage lab rats?

TB is a horrible scourge and there has yet to be an effective vaccine approved in the US, BUT it is a disease of the 3rd world and there are some relatively effective antibiotics as it is a bacterium.

America first. Discounting hiv, how many here?

Don't tell Rick but since it is predominately a 3rd World problem, here are the low US numbers:

In 2019, the majority (51%) of U.S. TB cases continued to be reported from 4 states: California (23.7%), Texas (13.0%), New York (8.5%), and Florida (6.3%). In 2018, the most recent data available, 542 deaths in the United States were attributed to TB

 

[pequa1]

Presumably direct descendants of Peter Stuyvesant and the Mayflower ?

 

[Roccus7]

Presumably direct descendants of Peter Stuyvesant and the Mayflower ?

No, mostly 3rd World Immigrants, look at the "High Numbered" states.

As far as NY, the sarcastic side of me wonders if most of the cases have been seen at LGA, which always reminds me of some of the worse 3rd World airports I've been too...

 

[JackPrintMD]

Ahhh you didn’t specify. I thought it was just a chat you overheard with some random people.

I meant ‘ Not” in my foursome.

Sorry.

 

[Avenger]

No, mostly 3rd World Immigrants, look at the "High Numbered" states.

As far as NY, the sarcastic side of me wonders if most of the cases have been seen at LGA, which always reminds me of some of the worse 3rd World airports I've been too...

So you're saying it's possible that people who just wander into the country without any kind of scrutiny may bring some serious diseases?

You know, there's a few people here who just love how politicians and bureaucrats have handled the Covid that might not appreciate that.

 

[Roccus7]

You know, there's a few people here who just love how politicians and bureaucrats have handled the Covid that might not appreciate that.

Just goes to show that diseases don't check your party affiliation...

 

[Rick67]

Umm maybe you missed it but the third world is running up through the border daily boys.
But hey enjoy your stay. Welcome to the country that teaches you growing up not to be peer pressured to take experimental drugs to grow up and be peer pressured to take experimental drugs.

 

[movetheboat]

the experiment seems to be working...no thanks to some

 

[pequa1]

My comment was sarcastic as well, though I knew it would be spot on. Having been at LAX and Dallas airports, while cleaner and more efficient, blink and it could have been LGA as well.

 

[Matts]

My comment was sarcastic as well, though I knew it would be spot on. Having been at LAX and Dallas airports, while cleaner and more efficient, blink and it could have been LGA as well.

I got it right away. Too much time downeast will do it to ya!

 

[Roccus7]

My comment was sarcastic as well, though I knew it would be spot on. Having been at LAX and Dallas airports, while cleaner and more efficient, blink and it could have been LGA as well.

We need a sarcasm Emoji. All the nasties were initially been brought over by the Spaniards, not the Dutch nor the British by way of the Netherlands...

The Story Of... Smallpox – and other Deadly Eurasian Germs

Much of the credit for European military success in the New World can be handed to the superiority of their weapons, their literary heritage, even the fact they had unique load-bearing mammals, like horses. These factors combined, gave the conquistadors a massive advantage over the sophisticated civilisations of the Aztec and Inca empires.

But weapons alone can't account for the breathtaking speed with which the indigenous population of the New World were completely wiped out.

Within just a few generations, the continents of the Americas were virtually emptied of their native inhabitants – some academics estimate that approximately 20 million people may have died in the years following the European invasion – up to 95% of the population of the Americas.

No medieval force, no matter how bloodthirsty, could have achieved such enormous levels of genocide. Instead, Europeans were aided by a deadly secret weapon they weren't even aware they were carrying: Smallpox.

Smallpox is a viral infection which usually enters the body through the nose or throat. From here the virus travels to the lungs, where it multiplies and spreads to the lymphatic system. Within a few days, large pustules begin to appear all over the victim's skin.

Starting with the hands and the face, and then spreading to cover the rest of the body, each blister is packed full of smallpox DNA. If punctured, these blisters become highly infectious, projecting fresh smallpox particles into the air and onto surrounding surfaces -such as someone else's skin. It is a disease that requires close human contact to replicate and survive.

The total incubation period lasts 12 days, at which point the patient will will either have died or survived. But throughout that period, if gone unchecked, they may have passed the disease to an enormous number of people. But the disease requires close human contact to replicate and survive.

Smallpox is a remarkably effective, and remarkably stable, infection – research has shown that over the course of 10 years, as few as three individual bases may change in a strain's DNA. The disease found an effective formula thousands of years ago, and there's no reason to change it.

So where does this deadly disease come from, and why was it linked to Europeans?

For thousands of years, the people of Eurasia lived in close proximity to the largest
variety of domesticated mammals in the world – eating, drinking, and breathing in the germs these animals bore. Over time, animal infections crossed species, evolving into new strains which became deadly to man. Diseases like smallpox, influenza and measles were in fact the deadly inheritance of the Eurasian farming tradition – the product of thousands of years spent farming livestock.

These epidemic Eurasian diseases flourished in dense communities and tended to explode in sudden, overwhelming spates of infection and death. Transmitted via coughing, sneezing and tactile infection, they wreaked devastation throughout Eurasian history – and in the era before antibiotics, thousands died.

But not everyone.

With each epidemic eruption, some people survived, acquiring antibodies and immunities which they passed on to the next generation. Over time, the population of Europe gained increased immunity, and the devastating impact of traditional infections decreased.

Yet the people of the New World had no history of prior exposure to these germs. They farmed only one large mammal – the llama – and even this was geographically isolated. The llama was never kept indoors, it wasn't milked and only occasionally eaten – so the people of the New World were not troubled by cross-species viral infection.

When the Europeans arrived, carrying germs which thrived in dense, semi-urban populations, the indigenous people of the Americas were effectively doomed. They had never experienced smallpox, measles or flu before, and the viruses tore through the continent, killing an estimated 90% of Native Americans.

Smallpox is believed to have arrived in the Americas in 1520 on a Spanish ship sailing from Cuba, carried by an infected African slave. As soon as the party landed in Mexico, the infection began its deadly voyage through the continent. Even before the arrival of Pizarro, smallpox had already devastated the Inca Empire, killing the Emperor Huayna Capac and unleashing a bitter civil war that distracted and weakened his successor, Atahuallpa.

In the era of global conquest which followed, European colonizers were assisted around the world by the germs which they carried. A 1713 smallpox epidemic in the Cape of Good Hope decimated the South African Khoi San people, rendering them incapable of resisting the process of colonization. European germs also wreaked devastation on the aboriginal communities of Australia and New Zealand.

More victims of colonization were killed by Eurasian germs, than by either the gun or the sword, making germs the deadliest agent of conquest.

 

[Rick67]

the experiment seems to be working...no thanks to some

You mean Darwinism. Only the strong survive buddy nothing changed. Thanks for shooting yourself up with the Trump Vaccine Luv Ya.

 

[movetheboat]

You mean Darwinism. Only the strong survive buddy nothing changed. Thanks for shooting yourself up with the Trump Vaccine Luv Ya.

that's what neanderthal man said (or garbled) right before he went away for good. Some people are just not able to grasp things or understand them...they fear everything.

Only the strong survive buddy nothing changed

NEANDERTHAL MAN WAS STRONGER BUT THE SMARTER SURVIVED

NO NEED TO THANK ME...IT CERTAINLY WAS NOT FOR YOU

 

[pequa1]

No fear here. Will get the booster for my Moderna vax I got back in February as soon as they come out. Hitting the 70 milestone next month- not going to let the china virus be the reason I don't make the next milestone. Still hoping that Viking will restrict their cruises in 2022 to just those of us who were vaccinated.

 

[dsedy]

Nice ?

 

[Rick67]

Went from “Fifteen Days To Flatten The Curve” to “Must See Your Papers” in a year.
Did NAZI that coming so soon.

 

[Roccus7]

And the stupidity of FL continues...

Cruise Line Threatens to Skip Florida Ports Over Proof-of-Vaccination Ban​

Norwegian Cruise Line plans to require Covid-19 vaccine documentation from its crew members and customers, but Florida recently enacted a law that bars businesses from doing so.

Norwegian Cruise Line is threatening to keep its ships out of Florida ports after the state enacted legislation that prohibits businesses from requiring proof of vaccination against Covid-19 in exchange for services.

The company, which plans to have its first cruises available to the Caribbean and Europe this summer and fall, will offer trips with limited capacity and require all guests and crew members to be vaccinated on bookings through at least the end of October.

During a quarterly earnings call on Thursday, Frank Del Rio, chief executive of Norwegian Cruise Line, said the issue had been discussed with Florida’s governor, Ron DeSantis, a Republican. Mr. Del Rio said if the cruise line had to skip Florida ports, it could operate out of other states or the Caribbean.

“We certainly hope it doesn’t come to that,” Mr. Del Rio said. “Everyone wants to operate out of Florida. It’s a very lucrative market.”

The clash between Norwegian Cruise Line and Florida is one of the many that are likely to surface about how states and businesses address whether proof of vaccination will be required. While some states have yet to take a position on businesses requiring vaccines, others are already operating with such protocols in place.

At many events in New York, such as Major League Baseball and National Basketball Association games, state health and safety guidelines require that fans provide proof of vaccination or of a negative coronavirus test within 72 hours of attendance.

“We hope that this hasn’t become a legal football or a political football,” Mr. Del Rio said on the call.

Norwegian Cruise Line is headquartered in Florida along with Royal Caribbean Cruises and Carnival Corporation. In 2019, about 60 percent of all U.S. cruise embarkations were from Florida ports, according to an economic analysis prepared last year for the Cruise Lines International Association.

In a business update on Thursday, Norwegian Cruise Line said it was experiencing “robust future demand” with bookings for the first half of 2022 that were “meaningfully ahead” of 2019 bookings. Through the end of the first quarter of 2021, the company said it had $1.3 billion of advance ticket sales.

In addition to prohibiting businesses to require proof of vaccination, the Florida law also prevents state and local governments from closing businesses or schools for in-person learning unless there is a hurricane emergency.

“I have refused to take the same approach as other lockdown governors,” Mr. DeSantis said in a statement on Monday when he signed the bill. “In Florida, your personal choice regarding vaccinations will be protected and no business or government entity will be able to deny you services based on your decision.”

His office did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Saturday, and Norwegian Cruise Line could not be reached for comment.

“We hope that everyone is pushing in the same direction, which is we want to resume cruising in a safe manner, especially at the beginning,” Mr. Del Rio said on the earnings call. “Things might be different six months from now or a year from now.”

The latest guidance from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention allows for cruise ships to conduct “simulated voyages” with volunteer passengers to see how cruise lines can safely resume operations with measures such as testing and potential quarantines.

The C.D.C. requires cruise lines to complete the test runs before they can be cleared to sail with passengers this summer.

“It is not possible for cruising to be a zero-risk activity for spread of Covid-19,” the C.D.C. said this week. “While cruising will always pose some risk of Covid-19 transmission, C.D.C. is committed to ensuring that cruise ship passenger operations are conducted in a way that protects crew members, passengers and port personnel.”

The latest guidance recommends, but does not require, that travelers and crew members on cruise lines receive a vaccine when it is available to them.

On the earnings call this week, Mr. Del Rio said Norwegian Cruise Line had submitted a proposal to the C.D.C. that includes requiring proof of vaccines from all of its crew members and passengers.

It is unclear how much business Norwegian Cruise Line could stand to lose by avoiding Florida ports. Of the dozens of ports listed on its website, Norwegian Cruise Line has Florida ports listed in Tampa, Miami and Key West.

Mr. Del Rio said “pent-up demand” had helped fill bookings quickly.

“I believe it’s the No. 1 destination for Americans to the Caribbean,” Mr. Del Rio said. “Who knows? That vessel might prove to be so profitable there that it never returns back to U.S. waters.”