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TonySmjc
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I think what’s missing here is no one is acknowledging the shear number of ppl that are going along simply to get along
Doctors and nurses playing the game because they think they have too
sure there are true believers
but so many are just trying to not make waves
last july the hospital charter passing around beers and joints told me as much
They said and I quote
most of us go thru the motions at work but don’t buy it
Surgeons and surgical nurses one and all
Doctors and nurses playing the game because they think they have too
sure there are true believers
but so many are just trying to not make waves
last july the hospital charter passing around beers and joints told me as much
They said and I quote
most of us go thru the motions at work but don’t buy it
Surgeons and surgical nurses one and all
Hell me and Tony/Rick posted facts not opinion You dont seem to want to grasp that
dsedy
Well-Known Angler
Sick Reptilian Stasi!!
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Now, in a terrifying glimpse of what might be in store for parents who refuse to vaccinate their kids, a judge in Cook County Illinois (which includes Chicago and some of the surrounding area) has taken away the parental rights of a woman due to her refusal to get vaccinated.
In what all parties agree is a very unusual and perhaps unprecedented step, a judge at Chicago's Daley Center has stripped Rebecca Firlit of custody due to her refusal to get vaccinated.
Shapiro then ordered that Firlit be prevented from spending parenting time with her son until she gets vaccinated. Over the past two weeks, Firlit has been able to talk to her son on the phone and through video calls, but has been unable to see him in person.
The judge didn't respond to a request for comment. But it's worth noting that judges have broad authority, and this likely won't be the first time an American judge brings vaccination issues up during cases where it's not exactly relevant.
Chicago Judge Strips Mother Of Parental Rights For Being Unvaccinated
Judge strips Chicago mother of parental rights for not being vaccinated
A Chicago mother is appealing a court order that revoked her parental visiting rights because she declined to be vaccinated against the coronavirus.
Now, in a terrifying glimpse of what might be in store for parents who refuse to vaccinate their kids, a judge in Cook County Illinois (which includes Chicago and some of the surrounding area) has taken away the parental rights of a woman due to her refusal to get vaccinated.
In what all parties agree is a very unusual and perhaps unprecedented step, a judge at Chicago's Daley Center has stripped Rebecca Firlit of custody due to her refusal to get vaccinated.
That’s the day Firlit appeared in court via Zoom, accompanied by her ex-husband, for a child support hearing involving her 11-year-old son. The two have been divorced for seven years and share custody and parenting time. Out of the blue, Cook County Judge James Shapiro asked her whether she had been vaccinated. Firlit told Shapiro she didn't get vaccinated because she has had bad reactions to vaccines in the past.
Shapiro then ordered that Firlit be prevented from spending parenting time with her son until she gets vaccinated. Over the past two weeks, Firlit has been able to talk to her son on the phone and through video calls, but has been unable to see him in person.
Firlit is now appealing the court order, saying the judge has no authority to take away her parenting rights over her vaccination status.
Her attorney, Annette Fernholz, claimed the judge has overstepped his authority.
As she explained, the judge is acting completely on his own: Firlit's former husband didn't bring the issue before the court.
However, the attorney representing Firlit's ex-husband, Jeffrey Leving, says they were also surprised by the judge's decision, but they support the ruling saying that given the pandemic, the child should be protected from an unvaccinated mother.
Since the start of the pandemic, fewer than 400 children in the US have died from COVID. In every case, the child had some kind of co-morbidity that dramatically complicated the situation.
The judge didn't respond to a request for comment. But it's worth noting that judges have broad authority, and this likely won't be the first time an American judge brings vaccination issues up during cases where it's not exactly relevant.
Twenty kids go to Chuckie cheese for a party they all wear their masks walking to the table at the table they take them off laugh eat and enjoying being kids. The next day those same kids go to school all in the same room but now they have to wear masks WHY? Did the Chuckie cheese table make them safe?
dsedy
Well-Known Angler
For some people, It's impossible for them to 'see the forest for the trees'. e.g the bigger picture.
dsedy
Well-Known Angler
Yep! Spot on!
Rick67
Well-Known Angler
Hate to say it but I can’t relate. I hate fishing at night and I only use Tube and Worm. I sort of mastered it over the years.
But Fauci said they didn’t work.?
OVERBORED
Well-Known Angler
There's a BIG difference between the medpro who during the height of the pandemic shut down his practice for months and the pro who was in the trenches.
Big difference between the "essential" worker collecting garbage/driving a bus than the one intubating a 30yr old in respiratory distress.
Like I said many times, science and doctors are not perfect. Things get dangerous when the unqualified try to diagnose and implement policy that has more to do with politics than public health.
I don't care about politics. I care about not having to relive the death and destruction of the spring 2020. Of doing everything in your power and still watching people die.
So if I come across as being insistant its because I feel that getting vaccinated and wearing a mask is much easier than explaining to a wife or a daughter how their dad/husband came in with a cough and left in a body bag.
That's my experience.
The jury is still out on masks. So many useless ones but there are many excellent ones too. if those are the only bullets I have in this fight, I'll use them.
Big difference between the "essential" worker collecting garbage/driving a bus than the one intubating a 30yr old in respiratory distress.
Like I said many times, science and doctors are not perfect. Things get dangerous when the unqualified try to diagnose and implement policy that has more to do with politics than public health.
I don't care about politics. I care about not having to relive the death and destruction of the spring 2020. Of doing everything in your power and still watching people die.
So if I come across as being insistant its because I feel that getting vaccinated and wearing a mask is much easier than explaining to a wife or a daughter how their dad/husband came in with a cough and left in a body bag.
That's my experience.
The jury is still out on masks. So many useless ones but there are many excellent ones too. if those are the only bullets I have in this fight, I'll use them.
Funny love your "essential worker"analysis what about the ones working on Drs/Nurses/Emt,s/ Firemen/Cops cars those guys aint essential(in your analysis) but they kept them going to work everyday I worked thru it 6 days a week 12hrs a day dealing with the public like they were ticking time bombs mask free btw was I happy about it NO but I dealt with it guess what Im still here
TonySmjc
Well-Known Angler
But that doesn’t count as experianceGood for you!
cany
that’s just your opinion
of course there are good mask
But no mask or tool is useful used improperly
The mask ppl are using and the way they are used is useless
wear an n95 properly in a dusty environment see then blow your nose
Wear a surgical mask and the useless ness is even more obvious
Oh my bad I thought living thru it was experiance I guess some will never get that
TonySmjc
Well-Known Angler
Over time the scientific community is going to find some really strange or new things about this virus
but 1st thing the need to really find out is
When did it actually start
And how many have actually had it
wouldn’t be surprised to find that covid 19 the original isn’t or wasn’t really the original but a variant
Wouldn’t surprise me to find out that a lot of the ppl they tested the vaccine on were actually folks that had the virus long ago and didn’t show anti bodies
Wouldn’t surprise me one bit if they find that those that stayed in and didn’t interact with ppl for a long time are more susceptible than those that were out and about since the beginning possibly brushing up against it on a regular basis
lots of things wouldn’t surprise me
But time will tell the tale
It always does
but 1st thing the need to really find out is
When did it actually start
And how many have actually had it
wouldn’t be surprised to find that covid 19 the original isn’t or wasn’t really the original but a variant
Wouldn’t surprise me to find out that a lot of the ppl they tested the vaccine on were actually folks that had the virus long ago and didn’t show anti bodies
Wouldn’t surprise me one bit if they find that those that stayed in and didn’t interact with ppl for a long time are more susceptible than those that were out and about since the beginning possibly brushing up against it on a regular basis
lots of things wouldn’t surprise me
But time will tell the tale
It always does
Very well-written piece, way too many Larry Vaughns out there ignoring Chief Brody...
pressherald.com/2021/08/29/letter-to-the-editor-jaws-scares-me-more-than-ever-but-not-because-of-the-shark/
August 29, 2021
I’ve always loved Steven Spielberg’s 1975 movie “Jaws.” It is a textbook for how to tell a terrifying story. Revisiting it in the past week, however, what has struck me is one character, and how chilling it is to recognize that he has shifted from satire to someone I might see at Hannaford.
The man is Mayor Larry Vaughn, played to the perfect level of smarmy self-obsession by Murray Hamilton. While his constituents are mauled by a killer shark, he pontificates about the need to reopen the beaches, flanked by the belief that nothing can stop the freedom of visitors to enjoy the water in their tourist town and, most importantly, spend money so he will get reelected. It takes the endangerment of his own children for him to finally take action.
I’ve never had an issue considering Vaughn with contempt. But in this second summer ravaged by COVID-19 and the multiplying variants, I find Vaughn’s disregard for human life newly nauseating because I see him in the actions of people all around me and throughout the country. Every American who refuses vaccination or won’t mask up around vulnerable populations echoes Vaughn’s shocking indifference to humanity. His obsession with self over society is the logic of an extraordinary swath of Mainers and Americans.
All of this leaves me with one lingering question: If our neighbors locally and nationwide continue to choose selfishness and misinformation over caring for human life, will it ever be safe to go back in the water?
Devin McGrath-Conwell
Saco
Letter to the editor: ‘Jaws’ scarier than ever, but not because of the shark
August 29, 2021
I’ve always loved Steven Spielberg’s 1975 movie “Jaws.” It is a textbook for how to tell a terrifying story. Revisiting it in the past week, however, what has struck me is one character, and how chilling it is to recognize that he has shifted from satire to someone I might see at Hannaford.
The man is Mayor Larry Vaughn, played to the perfect level of smarmy self-obsession by Murray Hamilton. While his constituents are mauled by a killer shark, he pontificates about the need to reopen the beaches, flanked by the belief that nothing can stop the freedom of visitors to enjoy the water in their tourist town and, most importantly, spend money so he will get reelected. It takes the endangerment of his own children for him to finally take action.
I’ve never had an issue considering Vaughn with contempt. But in this second summer ravaged by COVID-19 and the multiplying variants, I find Vaughn’s disregard for human life newly nauseating because I see him in the actions of people all around me and throughout the country. Every American who refuses vaccination or won’t mask up around vulnerable populations echoes Vaughn’s shocking indifference to humanity. His obsession with self over society is the logic of an extraordinary swath of Mainers and Americans.
All of this leaves me with one lingering question: If our neighbors locally and nationwide continue to choose selfishness and misinformation over caring for human life, will it ever be safe to go back in the water?
Devin McGrath-Conwell
Saco
And there's the "We're going to have to learn to live with it" mentality. Fortunately, my circumstances allow me to remain at COVID DEFCON Level 1 by continue to wear masks and avoid crowds, etc. without any significant negative impact on my quality of life, nor negative impact of my sense of personal freedoms. I've noticed that the stripers don't complain that I've been fishing alone...
Britons, Unfazed by High Covid Rates, Weigh Their ‘Price of Freedom’
LONDON — Nearly 60,000 soccer fans packed London’s Emirates Stadium last Sunday to watch Chelsea outplay Arsenal. Andrew Lloyd Webber’s musical “Cinderella” made its glittering debut in the West End after multiple Covid-related delays. On the subway, where masks are still mandatory, half of the riders go barefaced.
All of this at a time when Britain is reporting more than 30,000 new coronavirus cases a day, hospitals are coming under renewed strain, and preliminary data shows that the protection provided by the vaccines ebbs several months after the second dose.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/united-kingdom-covid-cases.html
Such is the strange new phase of Britain’s pandemic: The public has moved on, even if the virus has not. Given that Britain has been at the vanguard of so many previous coronavirus developments — from incubating variants to rolling out vaccines — experts say this could be a glimpse into the future for other countries.
“We don’t seem to care that we have these really high infection rates,” said Tim Spector, a professor of genetic epidemiology at King’s College London who has been leading a major study of Covid-19 symptoms. “It looks like we’re just accepting it now — that this is the price of freedom.”
Some of that equanimity may stem from the fact that Britain’s case rate, while high, has not yet risen anywhere near the level that government officials predicted when they lifted virtually all Covid restrictions last month. Some may be because so many Britons are vaccinated, fewer serious cases are being reported. And some of it may simply reflect fatigue, after 17 months of baleful headlines and stifling lockdowns.
“There’s a feeling that finally we can breathe; we can start trying to get back what we’ve lost,” said Devi Sridhar, the head of the global public health program at the University of Edinburgh. “It’s really difficult to ask people not to mix for a prolonged period, especially if there is no solution.”
With nearly 80 percent of the adult population fully vaccinated and the virus still circulating widely, Professor Sridhar said, Britain may be a model for other countries of “whether you can manage Covid in a sustainable way.” The evidence, she added, was inconclusive because Britain still faces critical challenges, like the reopening of schools on Wednesday.
That will almost certainly drive rates up further, particularly because Britain has resisted vaccinating children and younger teenagers. But epidemiologists are loath to make specific predictions because many were proved wrong in July when cases fell immediately after “Freedom Day,” when most restrictions were lifted.
New cases, in any event, are a less all-important metric than they once were, given that a much smaller percentage of those infected end up in the hospital than in the earlier stages of the pandemic. Almost 970 people were admitted to hospitals on Aug. 24, the most recent date for which data is available. That compares with 4,583 on Jan. 12, the peak of the last wave of infections.
Hospitalizations are rising, however, as is the fatality rate. Admissions last week were up 6.7 percent over the previous seven-day period, while deaths were up 12.3 percent, totaling 133 people on Saturday. With a backlog of patients with other illnesses, doctors say the National Health Service has little slack to cope with another influx of Covid victims.
“We’ve found rising numbers of cases, and we are under a lot of pressure again,” said Susan Jain, a specialist in anesthesia and intensive therapy who works in the intensive care unit at the Homerton University Hospital in East London. “All our Covid cases are unvaccinated by choice.”
The government of Prime Minister Boris Johnson, preoccupied with the chaotic military withdrawal from Afghanistan, has said little about the rising hospital numbers — or indeed about the pandemic at all — in recent weeks.
Relieved that the more gloomy predictions of spiraling cases have not materialized, the government argues that its strategy has been vindicated, with infections manageable because of the success of its vaccination campaign.
Nadhim Zahawi, the minister responsible for the vaccine rollout, compared the daily total of new cases with a similar moment in December. There were “**five times** the number of deaths we see today,” he wrote on Twitter, adding, “The vaccines are working.”
Still, critics said a death toll of around 100 a day should not be a source of pride. Moreover, they said, Britain’s early lead in the vaccination race meant that some protection from inoculations was starting to fade.
“It is a grim new normal,” said Gabriel Scally, a visiting professor of public health at the University of Bristol and a former regional director of public health.
Britain’s Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunization is likely to recommend booster shots soon, but they will initially be targeted at people with weakened immune systems.
Because Britain was one of the first big countries to do mass vaccination, Professor Scally said, it will be one of the first to experience the waning of immunity — an issue that has afflicted Israel, another early vaccine adopter. And despite its robust rollout, Britain has not reached the highest levels of population immunity because millions of young people remain unprotected.
The government’s policy on vaccinating younger teenagers is in flux, with no decision yet on whether to go ahead with a campaign to jab those 12 to 15, though Britain’s medical regulator has authorized a vaccine for this age group.
“The rollout of the vaccine program for adults has been incredibly impressive, but, for children and young people it has been frankly shambolic,” Camilla Kingdon, the president of the Royal College of Pediatrics and Child Health, said this month.
At the same time, public observance of measures to contain the spread of the virus seems to be slipping, a factor that some epidemiologists said accounted for Britain having a higher case rate than countries like France and Spain, where infections are now falling.
“I do wear masks indoors in public places,” said Philip Crossley, 69, walking on a street in the northern city of Bradford. “I noticed a lot of people don’t. Maybe that’s not a big problem, but they still could carry the virus.”
According to official survey data, about nine in 10 Britons said they had used face coverings within the past seven days when outside their homes. But anecdotal evidence suggests that compliance is much spottier, even on buses and subways in London, where wearing a mask is still compulsory.
After most restrictions were lifted, the transport police lost legal responsibility for enforcement of that rule. That left the task to transportation workers, who have been advised by one union to avoid confrontations with the public.
“Our members have no enforcement powers, and it’s a bit of a farce, really,” the National Union of Rail, Maritime and Transport Workers said in a statement. “It’s an impossible situation, so our advice to our members is that they should not substitute for the police and should stay safe.”
Outside Downing Street, an anti-lockdown protester, Simon Parry, said he had never worn a mask on public transportation and had yet to be challenged.
“I get people looking at me like I want to kill my grandmother,” he conceded before adding that he thought the argument was moving his way and that one woman had recently shed her face mask after an exchange on the subway. “I make it my mission to get someone to take a mask off in the Tube,” he said.
One government minister, Greg Hands, tweeted a picture of himself on the subway wearing a mask, but complained that only about half of the passengers around him were doing likewise.
The office of London’s mayor, Sadiq Khan, said its data showed that 82 percent of passengers said they always wore face coverings on subway trains and buses, a solid number given the central government’s decision not to adopt a national mandate for face coverings on public transportation.
Other critics blame the government’s mixed messages, pointing to members of Mr. Johnson’s Conservative Party, many of whom abandoned their masks when they returned to a crowded chamber of Parliament recently to discuss Afghanistan. The government’s official position is that people should wear face coverings when confined indoors.
For some who objected to Britain’s recurring lockdowns, the return to normalcy was both welcome and overdue. But some said the tensions between freedom and security could easily resurface.
“The intensity has gone out of the debate, but it will come back if there is another wave,” said Jonathan Sumption, a former justice on Britain’s Supreme Court who has been an outspoken critic of the lockdowns.
“If it does come back,” he added, “we’ll then be in the position that even the vaccines don’t work. What is the exit route?”
Britons, Unfazed by High Covid Rates, Weigh Their ‘Price of Freedom’
Britain is reporting more than 30,000 new coronavirus cases a day, but the public seems to have moved on. Experts say this could be a glimpse into the future for other countries.Britons, Unfazed by High Covid Rates, Weigh Their ‘Price of Freedom’
LONDON — Nearly 60,000 soccer fans packed London’s Emirates Stadium last Sunday to watch Chelsea outplay Arsenal. Andrew Lloyd Webber’s musical “Cinderella” made its glittering debut in the West End after multiple Covid-related delays. On the subway, where masks are still mandatory, half of the riders go barefaced.
All of this at a time when Britain is reporting more than 30,000 new coronavirus cases a day, hospitals are coming under renewed strain, and preliminary data shows that the protection provided by the vaccines ebbs several months after the second dose.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/united-kingdom-covid-cases.html
Such is the strange new phase of Britain’s pandemic: The public has moved on, even if the virus has not. Given that Britain has been at the vanguard of so many previous coronavirus developments — from incubating variants to rolling out vaccines — experts say this could be a glimpse into the future for other countries.
“We don’t seem to care that we have these really high infection rates,” said Tim Spector, a professor of genetic epidemiology at King’s College London who has been leading a major study of Covid-19 symptoms. “It looks like we’re just accepting it now — that this is the price of freedom.”
Some of that equanimity may stem from the fact that Britain’s case rate, while high, has not yet risen anywhere near the level that government officials predicted when they lifted virtually all Covid restrictions last month. Some may be because so many Britons are vaccinated, fewer serious cases are being reported. And some of it may simply reflect fatigue, after 17 months of baleful headlines and stifling lockdowns.
“There’s a feeling that finally we can breathe; we can start trying to get back what we’ve lost,” said Devi Sridhar, the head of the global public health program at the University of Edinburgh. “It’s really difficult to ask people not to mix for a prolonged period, especially if there is no solution.”
With nearly 80 percent of the adult population fully vaccinated and the virus still circulating widely, Professor Sridhar said, Britain may be a model for other countries of “whether you can manage Covid in a sustainable way.” The evidence, she added, was inconclusive because Britain still faces critical challenges, like the reopening of schools on Wednesday.
That will almost certainly drive rates up further, particularly because Britain has resisted vaccinating children and younger teenagers. But epidemiologists are loath to make specific predictions because many were proved wrong in July when cases fell immediately after “Freedom Day,” when most restrictions were lifted.
New cases, in any event, are a less all-important metric than they once were, given that a much smaller percentage of those infected end up in the hospital than in the earlier stages of the pandemic. Almost 970 people were admitted to hospitals on Aug. 24, the most recent date for which data is available. That compares with 4,583 on Jan. 12, the peak of the last wave of infections.
Hospitalizations are rising, however, as is the fatality rate. Admissions last week were up 6.7 percent over the previous seven-day period, while deaths were up 12.3 percent, totaling 133 people on Saturday. With a backlog of patients with other illnesses, doctors say the National Health Service has little slack to cope with another influx of Covid victims.
“We’ve found rising numbers of cases, and we are under a lot of pressure again,” said Susan Jain, a specialist in anesthesia and intensive therapy who works in the intensive care unit at the Homerton University Hospital in East London. “All our Covid cases are unvaccinated by choice.”
The government of Prime Minister Boris Johnson, preoccupied with the chaotic military withdrawal from Afghanistan, has said little about the rising hospital numbers — or indeed about the pandemic at all — in recent weeks.
Relieved that the more gloomy predictions of spiraling cases have not materialized, the government argues that its strategy has been vindicated, with infections manageable because of the success of its vaccination campaign.
Nadhim Zahawi, the minister responsible for the vaccine rollout, compared the daily total of new cases with a similar moment in December. There were “**five times** the number of deaths we see today,” he wrote on Twitter, adding, “The vaccines are working.”
Still, critics said a death toll of around 100 a day should not be a source of pride. Moreover, they said, Britain’s early lead in the vaccination race meant that some protection from inoculations was starting to fade.
“It is a grim new normal,” said Gabriel Scally, a visiting professor of public health at the University of Bristol and a former regional director of public health.
Britain’s Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunization is likely to recommend booster shots soon, but they will initially be targeted at people with weakened immune systems.
Because Britain was one of the first big countries to do mass vaccination, Professor Scally said, it will be one of the first to experience the waning of immunity — an issue that has afflicted Israel, another early vaccine adopter. And despite its robust rollout, Britain has not reached the highest levels of population immunity because millions of young people remain unprotected.
The government’s policy on vaccinating younger teenagers is in flux, with no decision yet on whether to go ahead with a campaign to jab those 12 to 15, though Britain’s medical regulator has authorized a vaccine for this age group.
“The rollout of the vaccine program for adults has been incredibly impressive, but, for children and young people it has been frankly shambolic,” Camilla Kingdon, the president of the Royal College of Pediatrics and Child Health, said this month.
At the same time, public observance of measures to contain the spread of the virus seems to be slipping, a factor that some epidemiologists said accounted for Britain having a higher case rate than countries like France and Spain, where infections are now falling.
“I do wear masks indoors in public places,” said Philip Crossley, 69, walking on a street in the northern city of Bradford. “I noticed a lot of people don’t. Maybe that’s not a big problem, but they still could carry the virus.”
According to official survey data, about nine in 10 Britons said they had used face coverings within the past seven days when outside their homes. But anecdotal evidence suggests that compliance is much spottier, even on buses and subways in London, where wearing a mask is still compulsory.
After most restrictions were lifted, the transport police lost legal responsibility for enforcement of that rule. That left the task to transportation workers, who have been advised by one union to avoid confrontations with the public.
“Our members have no enforcement powers, and it’s a bit of a farce, really,” the National Union of Rail, Maritime and Transport Workers said in a statement. “It’s an impossible situation, so our advice to our members is that they should not substitute for the police and should stay safe.”
Outside Downing Street, an anti-lockdown protester, Simon Parry, said he had never worn a mask on public transportation and had yet to be challenged.
“I get people looking at me like I want to kill my grandmother,” he conceded before adding that he thought the argument was moving his way and that one woman had recently shed her face mask after an exchange on the subway. “I make it my mission to get someone to take a mask off in the Tube,” he said.
One government minister, Greg Hands, tweeted a picture of himself on the subway wearing a mask, but complained that only about half of the passengers around him were doing likewise.
The office of London’s mayor, Sadiq Khan, said its data showed that 82 percent of passengers said they always wore face coverings on subway trains and buses, a solid number given the central government’s decision not to adopt a national mandate for face coverings on public transportation.
Other critics blame the government’s mixed messages, pointing to members of Mr. Johnson’s Conservative Party, many of whom abandoned their masks when they returned to a crowded chamber of Parliament recently to discuss Afghanistan. The government’s official position is that people should wear face coverings when confined indoors.
For some who objected to Britain’s recurring lockdowns, the return to normalcy was both welcome and overdue. But some said the tensions between freedom and security could easily resurface.
“The intensity has gone out of the debate, but it will come back if there is another wave,” said Jonathan Sumption, a former justice on Britain’s Supreme Court who has been an outspoken critic of the lockdowns.
“If it does come back,” he added, “we’ll then be in the position that even the vaccines don’t work. What is the exit route?”
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OVERBORED
Well-Known Angler
The retrospective on Covid will show how unprepared we were and how much of what we did or are doing was useless. We were too mechanical and slow to react. Many missed diagnosis and harmful treatment. That is clear.
We've come this far so If what we are doing keeps schools open and people working without mandates or anymore shutdowns IMHO it's worth it.
Hey, let's talk booster shots! Lol
We've come this far so If what we are doing keeps schools open and people working without mandates or anymore shutdowns IMHO it's worth it.
Hey, let's talk booster shots! Lol
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