Coronavirus

[Roccus7]

my issue is with forcing them on anyone
My issue is with the fact us the jury’s still out on the long term effects and benifits of getting jabbed

Once again you are in error, I've never forced anyone to get vaccinated. I only post data showing the reasons why one should get vaccinated and have posted things about side effects and how folks can access the Adverse Events Database to get their own data for an informed decision.

You can talk with our General on this. He and I have had long conversations about the vaccine and at the end of everyone I've recommended he get vaccinated, but have never ridiculed him about not getting it, nor putting undo pressure on him to do it. He's an adult and can choose for himself.

Vaccination, especially now that they'll all soon be fully-licensed, will become more and more of an "Admission Ticket" to travel, employment, education, entertainment, etc. in certain instances. You can still choose not to get vaccinated which may mean limitations in those areas, your choice. It's a choice that has consequences and these consequences will become more and more onerous, and that's something I point out so folks can make an informed choice. As I've said many times before, it's a Risk/Benefit decision...

 

[TonySmjc]

There you go again
Saying one thing
while what you type says different

didn’t you defend joking about some un Vaxed person dying
I’m very sure you’ve ridiculed several ppl for not agreeing with your opinion

wanna be neutral be neutral wanna post your charts and facts do so

leave the rest of it on the side
Or own it
You don’t want to own it
So everything you do is tainted to a lot of us

Stop the shaming be a neutral arbiter I might gain a modicum of respect for you
And your opinions

 

[Roccus7]

There you go again
Saying one thing
while what you type says different

didn’t you defend joking about some un Vaxed person dying
I’m very sure you’ve ridiculed several ppl for not agreeing with your opinion

wanna be neutral be neutral wanna post your charts and facts do so

leave the rest of it on the side
Or own it
You don’t want to own it
So everything you do is tainted to a lot of us

Stop the shaming be a neutral arbiter I might gain a modicum of respect for you
And your opinions

Only people who made a stink on social media about why others shouldn't be vaccinated. They were spouting garbage and may have made others make a poor decision causing their deaths from COVID. When this happens, they have blood on their hands.

So yes, I enjoy the irony of Karma making someone deal with the consequence of their decision IF they have tried to influence others to do likewise. Never make fun of folks who quietly make their decision, only mourn them and find folks deaths who were wrongly steered in the direction even a more tragic event.

 

[TonySmjc]

No matter who did it
It’s wrong and diminishes your credibility
And I think if you look back closely over the last few months you’ll find some examples of you Ridiculing a few members here that disagree with you

you spin it nicely , great writing skills can cover a multitude of sins
Unfortunate for both of us my reading comprehension always been much much better than my writing

 

[Roccus7]

No matter who did it
It’s wrong and diminishes your credibility
And I think if you look back closely over the last few months you’ll find some examples of you Ridiculing a few members here that disagree with you

you spin it nicely , great writing skills can cover a multitude of sins
Unfortunate for both of us my reading comprehension always been much much better than my writing

Only when they cannot provide DATA or SOURCES that support their position.

Sound familiar??? Oh yeah, I know that Israel data is out there, but you just can be bothered to find it...

 

[dsedy]

Israeli Study Shows Natural Immunity 13x More Effective Than Vaccines At Stopping Delta​

Having SARS-CoV-2 once confers much greater immunity than a vaccine—but vaccination remains vital

Israelis who had an infection were more protected against the Delta coronavirus variant than those who had an already highly effective COVID-19 vaccine

www.sciencemag.org

"The new analysis relies on the database of Maccabi Healthcare Services, which enrolls about 2.5 million Israelis. The study, led by Tal Patalon and Sivan Gazit at KSM, the system’s research and innovation arm, found in two analyses that people who were vaccinated in January and February were, in June, July, and the first half of August, six to 13 times more likely to get infected than unvaccinated people who were previously infected with the coronavirus. In one analysis, comparing more than 32,000 people in the health system, the risk of developing symptomatic COVID-19 was 27 times higher among the vaccinated, and the risk of hospitalization eight times higher."

The research impresses Nussenzweig and other scientists who have reviewed a preprint of the results, posted yesterday on medRxiv. “It’s a textbook example of how natural immunity is really better than vaccination,” says Charlotte Thålin, a physician and immunology researcher at Danderyd Hospital and the Karolinska Institute who studies the immune responses to SARS-CoV-2 . “To my knowledge, it’s the first time [this] has really been shown in the context of COVID-19.”

Study here:

2021 08 24 21262415v1 Full | PDF | Vaccines | Chronic Condition

COVID

www.scribd.com

 

[dsedy]

This is from Public Health England dated August 20, 2021:


https://assets.publishing.service.g...t_data/file/1012644/Technical_Briefing_21.pdf

Pages 22-23 (the earlier tables also document how non-lethal Delta is)

Total Delta cases 386,735

Unvaccinated 183,133

Vaccinated 203,602

Total fatalities 1,189 (0.3%)

Unvaccinated fatalities 390 (0.2%)

Vaccinated fatalities 679 (0.33%)

So.....vaccinated dying at 1.66x rate of unvaccinated.

 

[TonySmjc]

Only when they cannot provide DATA or SOURCES that support their position.

Sound familiar??? Oh yeah, I know that Israel data is out there, but you just can be bothered to find it...

Not an excuse
No one needs to prove or provide anything to you
I’ve found it ive read it
You know it’s out there and how to find it
Not my function to provide it for you

 

[TonySmjc]

You use any excuse to spin your actions

I got one for you

your a pompous ass
Not deserving of anyone’s attention or respect

spin on , spin on

 

[Roccus7]

@dsedy UK study interesting, couldn't get it to pop here...

True enough, the detailed analyses here only focused on Delta in depth, as that was the purpose of the update. If you dive in deeper with all the other variants some interesting data emerge. And we have to remember that these data are from patients seeking medical treatment.

You need to consider deaths from the other variants, which means you need to go through pages 16-21 to total things up. These data showing Alpha variant infections are 39% of the Delta infections, with these 2 variants making 99.75% of the infections. Interestingly enough, Total Alpha variant deaths (1619 deaths out of 150,620 positive cases or 1.07%) are greater than Delta, (1189 deaths out of 363,735) positive cases or 0.31% ). So during this time period, more folks in the UK contracted the Delta variant, but more died from the Alpha variant, at a rate 3.45X the deaths from the Delta variant.

Regrettably, they don't break out the deaths of the non-Delta deaths by variant so we can't exactly get a handle on this in terms of fully vaccinated vs unvaccinated.

Now, I'm modeling here, and I want everyone to understand that, but IF the vaccines are 90% effective on the Alpha variant, which is a bit of a low-ball from all the clinical data published to date, but I'll be conservative. Additionally I will carry that % over to the other variants based on the very low mortality and incidence we have in this data set. From the Delta info on page 22, 73,372 infected patients were fully vaccinated, which means the vaccine must have protected over 733,000 (the 90% who didn't get sick) folks from getting any non-Delta COVID infection in the first place.

All interesting data. Thanks for sharing!

 

[cany]

Guys one thing I think we can all agree on is nobody is changing anybodies mind here vax no vax we all have our reasons it is what it is, Can we try and get this thread to some what of a normal state Covid is here and as of now its not going anywhere we all know that The BS back and forth shit isnt doing anyone any good

 

[Roccus7]

Not an excuse
No one needs to prove or provide anything to you
I’ve found it ive read it
You know it’s out there and how to find it
Not my function to provide it for you

Put up or shut up, or you're just proving you type, type, type, albeit with an inability to convey your "wisdom" in proper English, with no backup. I have tried looking, but have come up blank and am truly interested in seeing the data. I never have a problem admitting that I’m wrong, unlike others here. Lord knows that COVID has done quite a few u-turns.

I just spent an hour looking at that interesting UK study @dsedy posted and made some comments and observations that can be verified. When's the last time you can say the same with support other than you spin, spin, spin...

 

[Rick67]

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.full.pdf

 

[OVERBORED]

"Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant."

Good post Rick.

As booster shots become more available, the argument now turns to memory cells. Theoretically, memory cells should activate with exposure to the virus thus eliminating the need for a booster. Im somewhat hesitant to get a booster because of this.

 

[Rick67]

I guess if you want to maintain the lab rat status but you didn’t keep reading.

 

[Rick67]

Have to change meaning in dictionary from right and left to right and SPIN.

 

[TonySmjc]

Go do your research mr science guy
Not doing it for you

and not shutting up either
You’ll deal with it

 

[Roccus7]

Go do your research mr science guy
Not doing it for you

and not shutting up either
You’ll deal with it

Will add this one to the list of other hot air claims you've made, but never fulfilled nor validated...

Remember how you boasted that your Dr. would provide you with a numeric value for your COVID antibody test, something I knew was impossible because I know who and how the assay was designed??

You continued to post that you'd get it for 2 or 3 times, but never did actually share a value. Could that possibly be because the machine that runs the assay never reports out a value besides a diagnosis of NEGATIVE or POSITIVE for COVID-19 Antibodies???

 

[OVERBORED]

Natural immunity even to the small of mind is obvious. Thats why your parents put all the kids who had chicken pox in the same room.

Works well with the Flu but doesnt work so well when the virus can be fatal........

 

[Roccus7]

Natural immunity even to the small of mind is obvious. Thats why your parents put all the kids who had chicken pox in the same room.

Works well with the Flu but doesnt work so well when the virus can be fatal........

Chicken Pox is the classic example, especially since the disease is far from fatal and devastating. I wouldn't play that game with the flu though...

I was the first in the neighborhood with Chicken Pox and my mother was fielding calls from all the neighbors asking to have me over for play dates. Probably the busiest I ever was in my childhood...