Do they think we're idiots!

[george]

Another floater of off Seaside Heights NJ

 

[george]

I am leaning toward the position that the windmills have nothing (or little) to do with it. IMHO....of course everyone can conclude what they want, but there are more facts pointing to migration, boat traffic, pollution, etc.

Common MTB you can't be buying their BS? Do you do still think that COVID came from a bat, because the govt just admitted it was lying to us all along. But anyone with any common sense knew it came from a lab. I equate that to this issue.

You're right about migration. If only they didn't have to migrate directly in the path of the largest attack on our oceans in history.

Please give me your take on:

It has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that NOAA gave the ok to kill thousands of whales during the surveying and construction of the windmills. Why are they blaming it on everything else?

As for boat traffic, I'm thinking that hasn't changed much over the years. Why now?

Pollution? Are you suggesting that they're dying from polluted waters? I'm not sure I heard that one yet but I have heard about climate change. Whales have done fine over the past 150 million years and many survived the ice age. Do you really think that had anything to do with this?

Please look close at everything here. We have documentation from NOAA warning that this very thing would happen.

Don't buy the spin.

 

[pequa1]

Follow the money. Whales don’t vote, pay taxes or have good lobbyists. And i still think that the very careful chinese did not have an accidental lab leak. That culture has a different way of looking at human life. Doubt they would be having this conversation either. and I used to think that ripping out CO2 eating forests to put up solar panels made no sense!

 

[george]

I'm not sure if I posted this yet, and I want to be sure anyone following this subject had the facts. The attached PDF is from Sean A. Hayes, PhD Chief of Protected Species NOAA NEFSC. This is no conspiracy theorist, he works for NOAA. Please read it and you will learn mich about the effects the wind farm will have on the Atlantic right whale.

I'm always reading "Show me the science" Well here it is. Anyone on the fence on this issue needs to read it.

Here's a short piece of it.

Disturbance to right whale foraging could have population-level effects on an already endangered and stressed species. The right whale population is food resource-limited and generally in poor body condition (Greene 2016, Christiansen et al. 2020, Moore et al. 2021, Stewart et al. 2021, 2022 in press). Right whales are chronically stressed from food limitations, entanglement, sub-lethal vessel strikes, and noise. Displacement from a prime portion of their only winter foraging grounds due to disruptions in forage availability/distribution and/or exposure to other stressors (e.g., increased vessel traffic) could have extremely detrimental energetic effects, resulting in reduced calving success (Meyer Gutbrod and Greene 2014, Meyer Gutbrod et al. 2015). Additional noise, vessel traffic, and habitat modifications due to offshore wind development will likely cause added stress that could result in additional population consequences to a species that is already experiencing rapid decline (30% in the last 10 years

Again this is from a NOAA scientist and it's currentn.

 

[movetheboat]

It looks like one scientist and it's full of "likely cause" and "could result"

The pollution I was referring to is plastics...bait fish eat it...whales eat baitfish...it's in the link,

At first I was thinking yeah the windmills....but I have changed my mind. Not to be contrary or anything, it's how I feel about it now. I would welcome being wrong. I couldn't care less about green energy, though I can foresee it's importance one day. That day is not today!!

 

[OVERBORED]

If it was plastics or pollution, Greenpeace and every other environmental group would be out protesting the ship traffic or whatever else they believe was causing this!

But they don't because the agenda is to play catch up with the rest of the world. Whales be damned!

Isn't it odd that with the whales inexplicably dying the only group protesting was a bunch of housewives in Point Pleasant, NJ?

They rushed these projects and likely set off more seismic events within the area than they were supposed to. Thats my theory.

 

[movetheboat]

You could be right......I will remain open minded but have leaned away from the windmill theory due to many other variables that could be causing this.

Some of these cargo ships have a draft over 50 feet.....if whales are in the shipping lanes feeding that's a problem, that's just one thing. As I said I am not totally ruling out anything.

 

[longcast]

If it was plastics or pollution, Greenpeace and every other environmental group would be out protesting the ship traffic or whatever else they believe was causing this!

But they don't because the agenda is to play catch up with the rest of the world. Whales be damned!

Isn't it odd that with the whales inexplicably dying the only group protesting was a bunch of housewives in Point Pleasant, NJ?

They rushed these projects and likely set off more seismic events within the area than they were supposed to. Thats my theory.

Plastics would be found in their digestive system. Pretty easy to find on examinations. When COVID hit, my friend chose to make his Montauk beach house his primary residence. He saw plenty of whales before that time, and many more since looking out the door each morning. So the increased population has been around the island a bit longer than "all of a sudden".

 

[movetheboat]

and whales have been washing up dead more than all of a sudden too.

Whales ingest millions of microplastic particles a day, study finds​

This article is more than 3 months old
Blue whales consume up to 1bn particles over a feeding season with as-yet-unknown impacts on health

Whales ingest millions of microplastic particles a day, study finds.

IMHO plastics are also harming humans to a large degree.....and never ever heat chit up in plastic

 

[OVERBORED]

How long have plastics been around?

How long have windmills been in the area?

Lets start with the obvious and go from there........

 

[george]

Raritan Bay

 

[george]

and whales have been washing up dead more than all of a sudden too.

Whales ingest millions of microplastic particles a day, study finds​

This article is more than 3 months old
Blue whales consume up to 1bn particles over a feeding season with as-yet-unknown impacts on health

Whales ingest millions of microplastic particles a day, study finds.

IMHO plastics are also harming humans to a large degree.....and never ever heat chit up in plastic

That's it. These whales are dying from plastic poisoning. Although they're not blue whales, and although we don't have plastics on the Atlantic, and let's not forget no blue whales have died. Youre reaching my friend.
We all have our own opinion, and as hard as it is, I respect yours. Even though you're wrong ?

 

[OVERBORED]

For me its about taking pause and reassessing the way we are doing things. Something unnatural is going on here and we need to find out what and why.

Have we lost our sense of responsibility as stewards of this planet?

 

[Sc42]

For me its about taking pause and reassessing the way we are doing things. Something unnatural is going on here and we need to find out what and why.

Have we lost our sense of responsibility as stewards of this planet?

I frequent forums of several different subject matters and it’s uncanny how the different topics seem to steer towards this thought. Then the volume goes down.

We are responsible for what we’ve done to this world, good and bad. If we’re headed in the wrong direction, are we willing to make a course correction for the better, at the expense of convenience and possibly safety? Or do we kick the can down the road?

Don’t take this as my position being “oil/gas…bad, solar/windmills…infallible!” I just find getting something moving in a clearly positive direction to be veeeeeery difficult. I see tough decisions needing to be made at some point.

 

[george]

For me its about taking pause and reassessing the way we are doing things. Something unnatural is going on here and we need to find out what and why.

Have we lost our sense of responsibility as stewards of this planet?

Agreed and well said. What is the rush besides $$$$?

 

[OVERBORED]

Harvesting a resource whether its wind or oil is not without consequences. We have seen the consequences of using oil and we are paying the price. We know the consequences of nuclear power and we paid a price (and will be for centuries)

Let's not be so blind as to think that pounding steel and laying cable on the ocean bottom does not have consequences.

Maybe the whales are telling us something. Maybe we should listen and try baby steps before full strides forward.

 

[george]

And another. This humpback has been seen frequently along the coast recently. Local residents named her Windy. Her gravesite is dug- this will be her final resting place. Windy is the 25th whale that is now “gone with the wind”.

 

[Leprechaun]

Like Mao said: “Gotta break some eggs to make an omlette.” And millions died.

 

[Avenger]

Agreed and well said. What is the rush besides $$$$?

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I can fill in the others for us too, like:

1. I'm from the UNCCC

2. Planet is going to boil

3. If we don't act now, we have 10 years left. Been hearing that one for forty years now.

4. Carbon credits, anyone?

 

[movetheboat]

FROM FOUR YEARS AGO.....Same thing happening,,,,but we have no plastics in the Atlantic? C'MON MAN!

A filter-feeding adult humpback draws in nearly 19,000 liters of water and one and a half tonnes of krill each day. “Imagine how much plastic they trap.”

Scientists have a new way to estimate how often ocean animals get tangled in plastic — and it could explain why so many whales are washing up dead​

Aylin Woodward
Apr 17, 2019, 11:31

• An average of about 8 million tons of plastic enters the ocean as pollution annually, though the maximum amount could be closer to 14 million tons.
• Whales and other marine animals can confuse plastic items for food and consume them, or get entangled in plastic nets. This can lead to strangulation and death.
• A new study shows that the amount of plastic in the North Atlantic Ocean has increased dramatically since the 1990s, and the number of plastic entanglements increased 10-fold between 2000 and 2016.

Happening around the world...common denominator???

If it’s clear whales are eating microplastics, says Sarah Nelms, a postdoctoral researcher at the University of Exeter in the United Kingdom, a key question becomes: what are microplastics actually doing to these animals?

In her own studies, Nelms has found microplastics in the guts of 50 marine mammals from 10 different species stranded around the coast of the United Kingdom—every animal she and her team examined.